51 days ago i engaged in mutual masturbation with another male person. We were at either end of bed wanking each other, i tickled his scrotum and penis shaft briefly with the tip of my tongue.
I had brushed my teeth and mouthwashed about an hour and a half prior to this but as i was not intending on doing anything other than masturbation i didn't think it mattered. We carried on until we both came and that was it.
3 weeks after this me and my wife both started to develop cold like symptoms, ie, sore throat,coughs,blocked noses,sneezing, she was slightly loosing her voice too and my lymph nodes under my jaw were tender but not swollen. My cold went after 3-4 days but hers lasted most of the week. about a week after that 4 weeks after exposure she got a bad headache on a couple of mornings and and she also had a bit of dihorea a couple of mornings but she said it was because i had been giving her simple linctus for her cough, i stopped the simple linctus and the dihorea stopped the next morning. it has now been 7 weeks and she still has the cough which sounds chesty and phlegmy, and a about a week ago she had night sweats two nights in a row, but it is very warm here in the uk at the moment and she also came on her period yesterday and she puts it down to this, she came on her period 4 days early too, i dont know if this means anything?
I went to a GUM clinic 11 days ago, 40 days after the exposure and i told the sexual health worker everything i have told you, exept the sweating because that has happened since. He said that i had not been at risk of hiv and there was no need to test, he said that people just dont catch it that way, i said what abou the precum possibilty, he said even if there was any it wouldnt live very long outside the body, but i said what if it had only just been secreted? He didn't know what to say to that so i insisted i got tested. They did a POC rapid test, throat swab, rectal swab,urine sample, and blood sample from the arm.
The POC finger prick test was a 4th generation Determine HIV-1/2 Ag/Ab Combo which came back negative.
The blood sample lab version was an ARCHITECT what ever that is. Got the results back for Chlamydia,gohnerea,hiv = negative
They said i did not need to be retested, can i rely on this advice, given all the symptoms etc?
Woke up a few days ago with a cold sore on my lip and the lymph node under my jaw left hand side was hurting, but i did quit smoking 2 weeks ago so maybe it's my body clearing itself out, cos i have some conjestion again, i did last time i tried to quit a few months ago.
So I went for another test at 48 days at another gum but it was not a instant one so i dont know the generation was,but it was another lab test, went and got the result today which was negative.
1) never at risk in teh first place, even if the other bloke was HIV positive which is unlikely.
2) you did not need a test as per the original advice although as you know probably from reading the Forum that I believe that people should be tested periodically anyway. But - in your case the adviser was correct - you did not need to test in respect of the episode.
3) the pre-cum is irrelevant - a) any virus will die promptly b) the amount of virus in pre cum in tiny c) hiv in precum seems to be attenuated anyway - ie its activity is not great
You are:-
1) most certainly HIV negative
2) feeling disorientated/guilty/out of your comfort zone because of the episode and you have swivelled this feeling 360 degrees to see HIV symptoms in you and your wife where there are none.
Hi, thanks Doctor, i am starting to accept that now, your right, i had always toyed with the idea of experimenting with another male but it wasn't until i did this that i realised it's not for me, i carried on having sex with my wife the next day, not because i am iressponsible but i left that guy thinking ok i wont be doing that again but not thinking i had put myself at any risk , but 3 weeks later when we both got colds i thouight, this is to much of a coincidence, her cough still worries me now. I have even booked another test in 5 weeks time but i think maybe it's a waste of time now. When i woke up with a cold sore and my lymph node was really tender i though, ok, it's just a coincidence, but then i thought, but i never get this, i haven't had a cold sore since i was a kid, i emailed the 1st gum and they said it was probably stress that had brought it on and then the nurse at the second gum said the same thing.
The one thing i can't get my head round and i have read probably 100's of posts in the last 7 weeks, is that a 28 day test is considered conclusive if the person wasn't at risk but if they were at risk then 3 months is the reccomendation, so is 28 days acceptable because the person assesing you is really thinking your overeacting and they say it's reliable because they dont really think your positive anyway? What if hypertheticaly someone had become infected through a low risk exposure and didn't test after 3 months because they were advised not to bother?
Plus, when i had my first finger prick test, then they did a lab sample, can i count these as 2 tests seeing as the blood was taken on the same day? they were both 4th generation combi tests.
and the 3rd one i had done at 7 weeks could have been a 3rd generation i suppose, how much more reassuring is the second test, if i hadn't enough antibodies in me to show up at 40 days, could i still not of had enough at 48?
The one thing i can't get my head round and i have read probably 100's of posts in the last 7 weeks, is that a 28 day test is considered conclusive if the person wasn't at risk but if they were at risk then 3 months is the reccomendation, so is 28 days acceptable because the person assesing you is really thinking your overeacting and they say it's reliable because they dont really think your positive anyway? a fourth generation test= hiv duo - is 99.89% certain at 28 days unless and only unless there has been a particularly high risk exposure and the patient is experiencing symptoms that make us (not the patient, us=doctors/nurses) suspicious and then the test should repeated at 1 to 2 weeks afterwards.What if hypertheticaly someone had become infected through a low risk exposure and didn't test after 3 months because they were advised not to bother?well then they'd be HIV positive without being aware....simples! But that falls into the category of encouraging people to have periodic routine tests if they are having sex outside their relationships; sex with sex workers; lots of casual partners; unprotected sex with others
Plus, when i had my first finger prick test, then they did a lab sample, can i count these as 2 tests seeing as the blood was taken on the same day? they were both 4th generation combi tests.yes -
and the 3rd one i had done at 7 weeks could have been a 3rd generation i suppose, how much more reassuring is the second test, if i hadn't enough antibodies in me to show up at 40 days, could i still not of had enough at 48?yes thats possible but as before 1) you were never at risk, you didn't do anything of re,ote interest in terms of HIV transmission 2) I simply do not believe the scenario you are painting that you are the unluckiest man in the world who contracted HIV from a non-event and from someone who probably was not HIV positive anyway and then had sequential false negative HIV tests - thats just some bizarre nightmare fantasy you've got going. Cut that off now otherwise this will grow in your head. There is nothing wrong with you and you are not HIV positive.
Your right but i said what if there wasn't enough antibodies at 6 weeks, could it be possible there weren't enough at 7 weeks and you said it's possible, so if that is what had happened then this nightmare scenario wouldn't seem so far fetched would it. Also, all the symptoms i mentioned, you never actually said if they were possible symptoms, you said when someone takes a test at 28 days we only consider testing a week later if they are showing symptoms, well what if the symptoms i had 3 weeks prior to the test were actual symptoms and had cleared up by the time i took the test? I know the chances of me catching it that way then getting a 6 week neg and a 7 week neg are slim but i have been convinced for weeks now that i have been infected and i don't seem to be able to accept that i'm not, i keep thinking that if i just let it go it will come back and bite me in the ass.
When i said what if someone tested neg for a low risk at 28 days and then didn't retest because of advice not to, you said well that falls into the catagory of multiple high risks,multiple partners etc, but why does it? Do i need that test in 5 weeks time, should i just cancle it? because of the 3 month thing we get all the time i'm convinced that if i go at 3 months it will indeed come back positive, but if i dont go for it i will always wonder, When you describe the whole thing the way you did, "unluckiest man in the world etc" it does seem ridiculous you right, but the symptoms that got me worried in the first place still haunt me.
I want to let this go i really do,i just keep waking up to the instant feeling of fear and worry that i have done for 7 nearly 8 weeks.
You are making a real meal of this - quite unnecessarily.
The facts are these:-
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51 days ago i engaged in mutual masturbation with another male person. We were at either end of bed wanking each other, i tickled his scrotum and penis shaft briefly with the tip of my tongue.
I had brushed my teeth and mouthwashed about an hour and a half prior to this but as i was not intending on doing anything other than masturbation i didn't think it mattered. We carried on until we both came and that was it.
Absolutely none of this presents even a remote risk.
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Your right but i said what if there wasn't enough antibodies at 6 weeks, could it be possible there weren't enough at 7 weeks and you said it's possible, so if that is what had happened then this nightmare scenario wouldn't seem so far fetched would it. yes, you are advancing a ridiculous argument - you didn't do anything risky. You've had excellent and negative tests against a background of nothing happening - you are HIV negative - Also, all the symptoms i mentioned, you never actually said if they were possible symptoms, ok - quite bluntly - these are not symptoms of HIVyou said when someone takes a test at 28 days we only consider testing a week later if they are showing symptoms, well what if the symptoms i had 3 weeks prior to the test were actual symptoms and had cleared up by the time i took the test? then if you had had true HIV symptoms the combined antigen and antibody tests would have identified you as a new HIV positive - they did not, you did not have a risk in the first place so this constant picking over what if's is ridiculousI know the chances of me catching it that way then getting a 6 week neg and a 7 week neg are slim they are not slim - they are impossiblebut i have been convinced for weeks now that i have been infected and i don't seem to be able to accept that i'm not, i keep thinking that if i just let it go it will come back and bite me in the ass. you don't need more testing - you have an issue which is best dealt with by a psychologist
When i said what if someone tested neg for a low risk at 28 days and then didn't retest because of advice not to, you said well that falls into the catagory of multiple high risks,multiple partners etc, but why does it? no - I didn't - I said and I quote"But that falls into the category of encouraging people to have periodic routine tests if they are having sex outside their relationships; sex with sex workers; lots of casual partners; unprotected sex with others" - the explanation of why etc is clearly contained within that answer
Do i need that test in 5 weeks time, should i just cancle it? because of the 3 month thing we get all the time i'm convinced that if i go at 3 months it will indeed come back positive, but if i dont go for it i will always wonder, When you describe the whole thing the way you did, "unluckiest man in the world etc" it does seem ridiculous you right, but the symptoms that got me worried in the first place still haunt me.
I want to let this go i really do,i just keep waking up to the instant feeling of fear and worry that i have done for 7 nearly 8 weeks.you didn't have a risk; you've had several negative HIV tests; you are HIV negative; you do not need to have a further test.
Risk assesment please.
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